Vegas Debate Thoughts
The Democratic candidates debate in Las Vegas ended a little while ago. I watched it along with my friend Mark and while he had a mostly negative reaction to it, I found it . . . not a positive development, necessarily, but at least rather interesting.
One thing that was a slight improvement over last time was the nature of the questions, but they still kind of sucked. Asking Sen. Klobuchar "Why didn't you know the name of the Mexican president?" was a lame question and well deserved the rebuke that Elizabeth Warren gave the moderator for it.
In no particular order, some thoughts:
- Sen. Warren didn't take my advice, but she did have a very strong performance. She opened by rightly bludgeoning Mike Bloomberg, who was vastly outclassed. Warren also jabbed at other candidates, some surprising (she name-checked Klobuchar a few times in criticisms) some not (Mayor Pete and his big-money donors), but more importantly showed her fire in championing Democratic principles.
- Mayor Pete was the only one on stage that kept his cool the whole time. The fire worked for Warren, the calm worked for Pete. Even under attack he was cool and collected and parried reasonably well. That said, his centrist health-care talking points remain specious and his characterization of Sanders' policies as "burn the house down" did not help him.
- Speaking of Mayor Pete, his heavy-mustache stubble made him look like a high school kid desperate to grow facial hair to look grown up.
- Bernie was Bernie. As Mark and I talked about, say what you will about Bernie Sanders, there's never any ambiguity with him. He came under some fire for the actions of some of his purported supporters, reprehensible behavior, and I have some sympathy for Bernie there; a candidate simply cannot manage all that people do online, and even disowning those supporters isn't going to matter there. Plus, some of that abuse is probably being done in the name of his campaign but by people whose only goal is disruption. Pete went after him for a failure of leadership that allowed this awful behavior, and OK, he's got a point, but how much of it is really controllable?
- The post-debate outcry over the truly inane question from Chuck Todd (WTF is Chuck Todd doing there anyway? He's a lousy interviewer) about whether or not the field should simply anoint the candidate with the most pledged delegates after the primaries are over even if they don't have a majority is maddening. You can't just have a simple blanket answer to that, the only reasonable answer is "it depends," which is essentially what all except Sanders said in response. That talking heads decry "it depends" as a shocking answer is absurd.
- I'm really curious to see what kind of fallout, if any, there is for Sen. Klobuchar after this one. It seems to me that she didn't help herself at all tonight and did not react well to criticism. She even said to Buttigieg, "are you saying I'm dumb?" which was not at all what he was doing. The hostile defensiveness may not play well. I admit I don't know how much of that might amount to sexist double-standards. Dudes can be nasty and get away with it. But I think this was something else. I'll be surprised if she doesn't lose support.
- There was not NEARLY enough talk about Trump. Especially in light of the continuing presidential crime spree and his spate of pardons this week, all of the candidates needed to direct their venom more in his direction and there just wasn't much there. This is on the moderators as much if not more than on the candidates themselves.
- There was some back and forth on the "socialism" label that Sanders has made part of his identity. Most of what was said was stupid—especially from Bloomberg, who basically said anything other than unfettered capitalism was "communism"—and some opportunities for clarity were missed. Pete at one point invoked Denmark as the place in the world one is most likely to achieve "the American dream," but here was critical of the concept of socialism. That was a contradiction that begged to be highlighted and no one mentioned it.
- Still way too much time spent on health-care policy. Yes, it's important, yes, some are better on this than others, but there are bigger fish to fry here and the moderate position always warns against "taking away" insurance plans that "people love." Well, if anyone really loves their insurance plan they probably don't love the premium. No one will shed a tear if they lose a private insurance plan that they don't like/pay a fortune for and in its place get simple universal coverage that covers them fully at lesser overall cost. Unless you have Bloomberg money, in which case it might cost you a little more, but you have Bloomberg money, so it won't bother you. The moderate argument is specious. If you want to restrict your argument against single-payer to Federal budget constraints, OK, that's valid, but don't bullshit us about being able to keep our shitty for-profit insurance.
- Pete pointed out that neither Sanders nor Bloomberg are actually Democrats. Nice. That's a concern for me with Bernie; if he's President, will he be leading the party? He's running in the Democratic primary, but he's still an independent and will not become a Democrat. Bloomberg left the Republicans and good for him, but as Mark pointed out, he didn't change—his party left him, he still has the positions he had when he called himself a Republican.
- At one point when discussing health insurance, Warren began telling an anecdote about being in Reno and for just a second I wondered if she was going to channel Johnny Cash and say she saw a man in Reno and watched him die. (She didn't.)
Some post-debate favorites from my Twitter feed...
Bloomberg saying he can't release women from NDAs because they were signed consensually probably sounded better when he tested it on the flunkies he pays to be living furniture in his skyscraper penthouse.
— Just Plain Tom Tomorrow (@tomtomorrow) February 20, 2020
Saying "I worked very hard for it" to justify your position as a billionaire is one of the most absurd things I can imagine when there are people working multiple jobs who still don't make enough to feed their children and pay their rent.
— Clint Smith (@ClintSmithIII) February 20, 2020
I think Warren is a Rorschach test as much as she is a candidate.
— Annie Gabston-Howell- (@AnnieGabstonH) February 20, 2020
There are folks--like me--who love to hear her laying in to the rest of the group. There are others who think she's "too much" and should be less feisty.
I suspect it has to do with our expectations from women.
Debate moderators did a disservice to Americans by failing to mention alarming issues.
— Alexandra Chalupa (@AlexandraChalup) February 20, 2020
Our nation is in a crisis. Today, Trump said he will install a loyalist w/ Firtash ties as DNI. He’s pardoning corrupt criminals. The head of the DOJ threatens the rule of law. Yet silence.
Tonight was like watching Bloomberg’s first day in the prison yard and Warren immediately making him her bitch. #DemDebate
— Larry Wilmore (@larrywilmore) February 20, 2020
Bloomberg brought a wallet to a knife fight.
— Bruce Mehlman (@bpmehlman) February 20, 2020
Better question is whether Chuck Todd should exist. https://t.co/N39os5C2m6
— Karoli (@Karoli) February 20, 2020
Feels like if your parents were bad, Warren would be the grandma who raised you and your siblings while working a full time job and then hit your dad in the face with a 2x4 if he showed up drunk when you were taking prom pictures on the front lawn, this may be too specific
— Sara Benincasa (@SaraJBenincasa) February 20, 2020
Elizabeth Warren is channeling an inner fury that only comes from grading papers that have no thesis statement.
— Curtis Harris (@curtismharris) February 20, 2020
Pete: You should probably know about Mexico you're on the relevant committee.
— Tommy Vietor (@TVietor08) February 20, 2020
Amy: Did you call me dumb? Your haircut sucks. Fuck your ugly tie.
Listen, some pundits may say that it was unsporting for Elizabeth Warren to kick off this debate by ripping Mike Bloomberg’s arms off and using them to punch him in the dick, but i respectfully disagree
— andi zeisler (@andizeisler) February 20, 2020
Warren is dominating this debate, but the socialism vs. capitalism section is a reminder that she's never really figured out how to message her distinctiveness here: she wants to save capitalism from the capitalists.
— Ezra Klein (@ezraklein) February 20, 2020
apologies for the superficial observation but chuck todd looks like he cuts his own hair
— Just Plain Tom Tomorrow (@tomtomorrow) February 20, 2020
The Democrats, live on TV,
— Limericking (@Limericking) February 20, 2020
Debated which issues were key,
& Liz, teaching class,
Handed Mike his whole ass,
A thing that we all love to see.
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